Buildings burn following the September 2010 Christchurch Earthquake |
The most widely circulated prophecy can be obtained here.
How should a Christian process such a document?
A written response from a number of prominent Christchurch Protestant church leaders might give us some insight. Their responses can be found here and here.
All the leaders acknowledge that they cannot definitively rule out that the prophecy is true. Their call to individual prayer and meditation is also useful and constructive.
Their causes for doubting it may be summarised as follows:
- Date and time specific prophecies never come true.
- We are in an "Age of Grace" so God would never administer judgment like this.
- God's prophecies are always encouraging and edifying. This prophecy only promulgates fear and panic. God wouldn't act like this.
- Other prominent leaders don't "witness" or feel that God is speaking to them in the same way, confirming it.
- The source of the prophecy lacks credibility.
- Date and time specific prophecies: Despite David MacGregor not being able to recall any, in fact there are quite a few prophecies which are date and time specific. A few biblical examples include: Joseph's prediction of seven years of plentiful harvest, followed by seven years of famine; Moses' prediction that the Firstborn would die from midnight on; Elisha's prediction that the siege of Samaria would be broken within 24 hours (2 Kings 6:24-7:20); Jesus' prediction of his resurrection being 3 days and nights after his death.
- "Age of Grace": This implies that previous to this era of Grace, we were in an era where Grace was lacking. In fact, Grace is a recurring theme throughout the bible from Genesis to Revelation. There is no Age of Grace. We follow a God who is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. A God of lovingkindness, tenderness, righteousness, justice and judgment; all in One (Jeremiah 9:24).
- God's prophecies are always encouraging and edifying: The corollary to this is that God's authentic prophecies don't cause fear and panic. Is this true? When reading the account of the Samarian siege, the King's captain doubts Elisha's prophecy. Elisha predicts that as confirmation, the captain would not live to see it. I'm sure the captain found it hardly edifying. When Jesus predicts the fall of Jerusalem he advises his followers then to flee, warning that pregnant and nursing women would be greatly distressed. Ananias' sudden death is another NT example. Hardly "uplifting" stuff.
- The "witness" of other leaders and credible sources: MacGregor says he would like to think that God would tell the leaders of a church if he had a message such as this. Yet God seems to make a point of singling out obscure, and unlikely messengers to bear his communiques. Joseph was from a family of shepherds. Moses was a Midianite shepherd. Egyptians looked on shepherds with disdain. Jesus was a Galilean carpenter. Urbane Jews looked on Galileans with disdain. God might be telling the leaders but through his chosen messengers, whoever they might be, whether they are recognized prophets or not. Even the recognized prophets can get it wrong (1 Kings 22:13-28). I assume that Christian leaders teach their people to hear from God, then why be surprised if God chooses to speak to them? Eli Wiesel relates the story of his journey to Auschwitz in his book "Night." During the journey a woman has a nervous breakdown and begins to hallucinate that she can see flames and that they were to burn. She ranted and raved for hours. Eventually she was beaten into silence. When he stepped off the train, he saw the flames leaping from the chimney of the crematorium. He understood.
In the absence of anything else, no matter which side of the debate one might be, it is good risk management to ensure disaster survival kits are well stocked. If you decide to leave town for a day or two, then what is the cost if nothing happens, a small amount of embarrassment?
9 comments:
I agree with everything you say here.
I am particularly disturbed by point 3. How can Christian men and women even still today try to eliminate the element of judgement, the call to repentance, and to give up idolatry in God's prophecies which come through his chosen men and women?
One only has to read a few pages into the Bible to see that yes there is an element of encouragement and edification in God's prophecies but obedience is required first as is trust in God's perfect will even when such is accomplished through catastrophic events. Why is the Christian world intent of bringing God down to our level? He is Holy, He is Magnificent, He is All powerful and able, He is Perfect Love and that Perfect Love is often shown throughtout history when he sends warnings through his prophets of impending judgement which without a doubt often translates into events which will cause fear and trembling, but hopefully first and foremost the ability to repent and seek God's mercy. Just because God is grace, just because of the New Covenant, it does not mean we can continue living in sin and idolatry today. God is Love and He is Justice, but He is wise too and above all a caring Father who wil do whatever is necessary, whatever it takes so that none shall "PERISH".
this is a very balanced representation, thank you. A nice change from the histeria that is more common. I agree and accept all your points, and find that we still don't have the answer, but maybe we are not meant to. I have prayed a fair bit about this as have others and no one seems to be getting a clear anwer. It comes down to trust in the end, that he will do what is right, and that may or may not be what we think is right. And also we must acknowledge he is Lord, be obedient, be prepared, and wait on him.
I agree that the offical leadership response has been a bit lame.
Saying that the pastors do not witness with the prophecy does not help. Many of the people who are afraid believe that the pastors in Christchurch have shut down the prophetic, so they would expect that response.
Saying that God does not give dates is unwise. He can, and he has. It implies that vague prophecies are better than precise ones. If God wanted his people to escape a disaster, he would not say, "There is a calamity coming, but I cannot tell you when, because I do not do dates".
The suggestion that God has stopped judgements and will start them again during a tribulation before the second coming is odd.
My assessment of the prophecy is at Thrid Big One?
Ron
@anewcreation33: "How can Christian men and women even still today try to eliminate the element of judgement, the call to repentance, and to give up idolatry in God's prophecies which come through his chosen men and women?"
I think there is something inside of many that wish God is a "tame lion."
@Anonymous: "this is a very balanced representation, thank you."
You're welcome.
@Ron: Some good perspectives in your blog entry. I wonder whether Jonah's anger toward God was in part due to his fear that he would be doubted as a prophet if the city was not judged? If so, he must have been greatly chagrined to see them repent and the predicted disaster was not forthcoming.
I saw the Principal of the Christchurch branch of Laidlaw College on TV 1 this morning. He offered the argument that Christchurch was no more sinful than other modern cities, so he couldn't understand why God might single out Christchurch.
Isn't this the puzzle that several biblical writers consider? I always thought God chooses whomever he chooses.
I agree with most of what you say. When Christ came and died for our sins, he took upon himself OUR judgment. Christians have passed from judgment in the sense that we will be judged on our service to Christ as per rewards, not as the unbeliever, who will be judged on their sin, as they are still in their sinful state. There will come a time of judgement at the end of the age, but we are not there yet. BUT God can and will get our attention using disasters. A number of people believe we are in a time called the Great Awakening, where the church is waking up!! Finally! We need to start acting like Christ followers and get back to how Jesus showed us to live as his disciples. Just my opinion. I dont think that because of what I believe re: judgement, that I am a wishy washy Christian. We need to see God not just as a law Maker, but as a Lover. He Loves us intently.
"Christchurch is no worse than any other city" is not a very good argument. The biblical principles is "From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked" (Luke 12:48). Christchurch cannot be compared with secular cities in Japan.
my response to the christchurch prediction
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